Question for 425 cab / 2466 players

I'm currently digging through the maze of replacement speakers to do some speaker switching in my 1960a cab that I have loaded with Vintage 30's and Classic G12M greenbacks.

My preferred option was to load it all the way with G12c's, and I've also been toying with the idea of maybe a couple of Scumbacks to go with 2 G12c's.

While e-mailing back and forth with the sales guy from Scumback, who recomended the 65 or 100 watt version of their Greenbacks, he has been trying to tell me that the 2466 may be to much of an amp for one 4x12 loaded with the 25 watt G12C speakers. At least at the levels I play at, which is with the master at 6 to 8, boosted by an O.D. Pedal.

I'm pretty skeptical that the amp would flame out any G12c's, my G12m's hold up well, but I'd like to get any opinions from you people that are running the 2466 with the G12c's about how the amp reacts to the speakers at high volumes.

Thanks!

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Vintage Modern 2466 (Purple!)
Marshall 425A cab (Purple!)
1960A With G12M's/G12C's
1990 Les Paul Studio, Genesis Mr. Browney/Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates Pickups
A Handful of Stomp Gadgets/Boosty devices

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	he has been trying to tell me that the 2466 may be to much of an amp for one 4x12 loaded with the 25 watt G12C speakers. At least at the levels I play at, which is with the master at 6 to 8, boosted by an O.D. Pedal.

It's not, I can go wide open with my 425 cabinet and it sounds great but it will squeal like a pig if I'm not on it at those levels so you have to be quick to turn it down. It is not to much amp, 4x25 watts=100watts....perfect! Now I will tell you that my other two cabinets are louder than the 425 but handle the full montey fine also.

You might try some combinations in your cabinet. Two Vin 30s and two G12H30s in a X pattern sound great. I am looking at bringing in one more 4x12 cabinet loaded with Classic Lead 80s to see how that works out. Another thing that might help is running a MXR 10 band EQ in the loop or try a BBE Sonic in the loop see if you like it.[/code]

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Yeah, I run G12M's and Vintage 30's wired in an X pattern right now, which I'll probably switch over to my JCM800B cab. For my slant cab, I want to get as close as I can to a good Late 60's/Early 70's greenback tone, which Is definitely my favorite voicing for a good Plexi tone.

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Vintage Modern 2466 (Purple!)
Marshall 425A cab (Purple!)
1960A With G12M's/G12C's
1990 Les Paul Studio, Genesis Mr. Browney/Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates Pickups
A Handful of Stomp Gadgets/Boosty devices

	zappatista wrote:
	While e-mailing back and forth with the sales guy from Scumback, who recomended the 65 or 100 watt version of their Greenbacks, he has been trying to tell me that the 2466 may be to much of an amp for one 4x12 loaded with the 25 watt G12C speakers.

What a crock of shit! I've had a 2466 driving one 425 at full tilt for a whole week and all it did was break them in nicely. Laughing

This reminds me of the Guitar Center Manager/Marshall expert who told me the Vintage Modern had diode clipping in it and was not true valve signal. PM'd Steve to get the truth. Always ask the expert which is Steve.

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SteveD wrote:

	zappatista wrote:
	While e-mailing back and forth with the sales guy from Scumback, who recomended the 65 or 100 watt version of their Greenbacks, he has been trying to tell me that the 2466 may be to much of an amp for one 4x12 loaded with the 25 watt G12C speakers.

What a crock of shit! I've had a 2466 driving one 425 at full tilt for a whole week and all it did was break them in nicely. Laughing

Nicely put! That's all I needed to hear, I'll be putting in for those G12C's! Thanks Steve!

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Vintage Modern 2466 (Purple!)
Marshall 425A cab (Purple!)
1960A With G12M's/G12C's
1990 Les Paul Studio, Genesis Mr. Browney/Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates Pickups
A Handful of Stomp Gadgets/Boosty devices

haha, Steve's most elegant post to date. Smile

SteveD wrote:

	zappatista wrote:
	While e-mailing back and forth with the sales guy from Scumback, who recomended the 65 or 100 watt version of their Greenbacks, he has been trying to tell me that the 2466 may be to much of an amp for one 4x12 loaded with the 25 watt G12C speakers.

What a crock of shit! I've had a 2466 driving one 425 at full tilt for a whole week and all it did was break them in nicely. Laughing

That must have been one LOUD lab experiment... Cool

It's a test that we always do to verify the endurance of amps and cabs during development. As you can imagine, it is conducted in an isolated sound room using a proprietry guitar loop wav file. Smile

It certainly sorts the men out from the boys Exclamation

keep in mind, that wattage rating is simply where they compress and distort, not where they blow up!

Take Mesa/Boogie as an example, they have been making combos 1x12 combos for years putting over 100w before clipping, and no major problems there!

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I agree that the 425 series cabs canb indeed handle a 100 watt amp without blowing the speakers in most cases. I own a JVM410H 100 watt head and so far I have have great results with this mix. I would be careful when buying a used cab, however, since you will need to know a little about the history of the cab such as speaker replacements, or check to see what shape the cone is in. My 425 was bought new, so I have no worries. I have turned it up the jvm full blast with the 425B cab, but it was way too loud and I probably won't do that again, but its good to know that the cab can take it. Love those 425 cabs!

He may be skeptical on the tolerance of 100w cab because of the old school 1959 head and JCM 800 heads putting out way more power than what they were rated, whereas the VM puts out exactly what it is rated.

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I have the 2466 & 425 cab. The cab has no problem at all handling the power, it does however IMO struggle with the amount of bass the VM is capable of. It's VERY easy to overdue the body (especially with the mid boost on) and get a real ugly sounding low end. A higher wattage speaker may solve this problem.

Thanks for everybodies input, Especailly Steve D.!

Ya know, sometimes it's hard to see the trees for the forest, especially when I'm in an OCD influenced quest for gear. I decided that since I don't really use a full stack anymore, I'll just sell my Hair Metal JCM800 1960B cab to help in funding the purchase of a new 425A. No Fuss, No Muss, no speaker switching and stuff! I've also found that trying to get the local music shop people to track down g12c speakers for direct sale is an exercise in futility. Anyway, I should have the cab within 4 months!

Thanks again!

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Vintage Modern 2466 (Purple!)
Marshall 425A cab (Purple!)
1960A With G12M's/G12C's
1990 Les Paul Studio, Genesis Mr. Browney/Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates Pickups
A Handful of Stomp Gadgets/Boosty devices